america's debt, everyman, woman and child in america, $53,400 compared to greece, less than $40,000 per person. in greece where they are in the second day of a three day strike against austerity measures. . grover norquist from americans for tax reform. i look at that debt and i say catastrophe. if we don't get four or five or 6% growth the down arrow and control spending we go over a cliff. what do you say? >> that is exactly what we need to do. a number to remember is if we grow at 4% year which is where we should be growing as instead of the 2% year obama brought us to and france has lived with for years, the difference between 4% growth and 2% growth is $2.5 trillion in higher revenue over a decade. if you want to reduce the debt by $5 trillion pretend -- 4 ten years grow at 4%, not 2%, people want to raise taxes to bring down the debt that will slow growth and make things worse. stuart: they will come at you and say this is a catastrophe in the making. we must have a compromise between spending cuts and tax increase and the word compromise is going to look very attractive as we rol